No, I don't. This one doesn't know me at all and I don't typically engender good will. All he has to do is look back on the network and he'll see where we disagree.
[ suddenly all of strange's "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU POST ON THE INTERNET" conversations make a lot more sense. ]
You're not good with surprises. If you wait until this comes to you it may well turn into a fight. If you take the time to think sensibly about what it is you need to discuss before it lands on your doorstep, then take it to him, you can make sure it's a conversation.
Fine. You can't rehab a psychopathic murderer no matter how many asylums you stick them in. Killing someone who takes pleasure out of hurting other people is the only logical choice.
How many murders are we using to determine an irredeemable killer? If someone arrives who's a known murderer in somebody else's world, do we take them out based on reputation alone or do we have to wait for a crime to be committed? If we only have one person's word against theirs, do we assume our friend is honest, or do we have to wait?
If we have to wait, do we contain the threat in the meantime? If we can contain the threat in the short term, why can't we do so indefinitely?
Because it never works. What someone did in their world can't be proven or disproven, but if you wait they'll start returning to their old ways. They always do.
The Loki of my world attempted to overtake the Earth by route of alien invasion, killing some himself in pursuit of making way for his army, others dying in the battle that ensued. Who knows how many would have died without the input of the Avengers.
By your rule, Loki would be dead now. He's been here since I arrived, I've yet to see any heinous crimes.
The conversation with Dick doesn't need to be complicated. Tell him you have some differing opinions that it's best to get out of the way early. Explain that in a situation where someone proves to be an irredeemable and active threat to innocent life, your decision would be to nullify that threat by killing the individual rather than risking imprisonment and escape. Let him know that you've discussed it before, maintain your view due to previous experience, understand that it isn't a majority stance and don't see the merit in continuing to discuss a hypothetical. Provide him with any specifics he asks for, but if he pushes you to debate it with him you can politely decline to continue the conversation.
It's the same as last time. Listen to what he's saying and acknowledge it without feeling the need to contest it. He can't fight you if you're not throwing punches, you just may have to take a few hits.
You don't understand, Strange. They don't think that way.
My father raises his sons to have unfailing trust in the justice system, despite all being keenly aware that it is flawed and allows monsters to slip free and live to kill again. Dick has always been more inclined to listen, but he's still the one my father had the longest to indoctrinate.
Then you'll need to make it clear to him that the law here cannot and will not apply to us, whether or not we wish it would. Police custody doesn't stick. We're overseen by someone who doesn't want us noticed.
For better or worse, we're our own law. If he doesn't like what he thinks you'll do, it's up to him and everyone else who disagrees with you to act first and keep you out. Our justice is self-defined, that part isn't negotiable.
[ there are so many things he appreciates about stephen strange. the fact that stephen is so unapologetic about what he believes in, the fact that he listens, all the little things that --
that made him a really good father in another life. ]
Fine.
But don't blame me if he runs crying to the network about murder never being the answer.
[ it's meaner than he normally would be, but that's how damian copes isn't it? get mean. throw barriers up. try to prevent himself from being hurt again. ]
You can send him directly to me if you think he's going to start another civil war. Or me directly to him.
[ It wasn't fun the first time, but it was at the very least a learning experience. He's learned he'd rather not watch it happen again, and he's more than happy to put the work in to achieve those ends. ]
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Date: 2020-01-23 12:11 am (UTC)I don't know yet.
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Date: 2020-01-23 12:15 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-01-23 12:18 am (UTC)This one doesn't know me at all and I don't typically engender good will.
All he has to do is look back on the network and he'll see where we disagree.
[ suddenly all of strange's "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU POST ON THE INTERNET" conversations make a lot more sense. ]
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Date: 2020-01-23 12:21 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-01-23 12:26 am (UTC)"Hey Dick, I think some people need to be put down like rabid animals. Thoughts?"
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Date: 2020-01-23 12:29 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-01-23 12:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-01-23 12:40 am (UTC)Flippancy isn't going to help you.
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Date: 2020-01-23 12:48 am (UTC)I'm not budging on my view.
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Date: 2020-01-23 01:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-01-23 01:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-01-23 01:12 am (UTC)Let's have the conversation. You're going to have to have it with Dick sooner or later.
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Date: 2020-01-23 01:16 am (UTC)You can't rehab a psychopathic murderer no matter how many asylums you stick them in.
Killing someone who takes pleasure out of hurting other people is the only logical choice.
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Date: 2020-01-23 01:27 am (UTC)If we have to wait, do we contain the threat in the meantime? If we can contain the threat in the short term, why can't we do so indefinitely?
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Date: 2020-01-23 01:36 am (UTC)What someone did in their world can't be proven or disproven, but if you wait they'll start returning to their old ways. They always do.
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Date: 2020-01-23 01:51 am (UTC)By your rule, Loki would be dead now. He's been here since I arrived, I've yet to see any heinous crimes.
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Date: 2020-01-23 01:57 am (UTC)Loki is a god. They don't tend to abide by human morality.
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Date: 2020-01-23 02:15 am (UTC)Do we take a person's heritage and related morality into account when coming to a decision?
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Date: 2020-01-23 02:24 am (UTC)Some people are downright incorrigible.
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Date: 2020-01-23 03:17 am (UTC)The conversation with Dick doesn't need to be complicated. Tell him you have some differing opinions that it's best to get out of the way early. Explain that in a situation where someone proves to be an irredeemable and active threat to innocent life, your decision would be to nullify that threat by killing the individual rather than risking imprisonment and escape. Let him know that you've discussed it before, maintain your view due to previous experience, understand that it isn't a majority stance and don't see the merit in continuing to discuss a hypothetical. Provide him with any specifics he asks for, but if he pushes you to debate it with him you can politely decline to continue the conversation.
It's the same as last time. Listen to what he's saying and acknowledge it without feeling the need to contest it. He can't fight you if you're not throwing punches, you just may have to take a few hits.
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Date: 2020-01-29 06:50 am (UTC)My father raises his sons to have unfailing trust in the justice system, despite all being keenly aware that it is flawed and allows monsters to slip free and live to kill again. Dick has always been more inclined to listen, but he's still the one my father had the longest to indoctrinate.
That appears to be universal in every world.
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Date: 2020-01-29 10:01 am (UTC)For better or worse, we're our own law. If he doesn't like what he thinks you'll do, it's up to him and everyone else who disagrees with you to act first and keep you out. Our justice is self-defined, that part isn't negotiable.
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Date: 2020-02-01 02:17 am (UTC)that made him a really good father in another life. ]
Fine.
But don't blame me if he runs crying to the network about murder never being the answer.
[ it's meaner than he normally would be, but that's how damian copes isn't it? get mean. throw barriers up. try to prevent himself from being hurt again. ]
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Date: 2020-02-01 09:37 pm (UTC)[ It wasn't fun the first time, but it was at the very least a learning experience. He's learned he'd rather not watch it happen again, and he's more than happy to put the work in to achieve those ends. ]