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[rehandle]

Then you may as well have the conversations early if you think they're going to come up.

[batricide]

Right. That will go well.
"Hey Dick, I think some people need to be put down like rabid animals. Thoughts?"

[rehandle]

Damian.

[batricide]

What?

[rehandle]

You're not good with surprises. If you wait until this comes to you it may well turn into a fight. If you take the time to think sensibly about what it is you need to discuss before it lands on your doorstep, then take it to him, you can make sure it's a conversation.

Flippancy isn't going to help you.

[batricide]

Explain how to have a conversation about such a fundamental disagreement.
I'm not budging on my view.

[rehandle]

Why not?

[batricide]

Metropolis.

[rehandle]

I know. But you're not in Metropolis now.

Let's have the conversation. You're going to have to have it with Dick sooner or later.

[batricide]

Fine.
You can't rehab a psychopathic murderer no matter how many asylums you stick them in.
Killing someone who takes pleasure out of hurting other people is the only logical choice.

[rehandle]

How many murders are we using to determine an irredeemable killer? If someone arrives who's a known murderer in somebody else's world, do we take them out based on reputation alone or do we have to wait for a crime to be committed? If we only have one person's word against theirs, do we assume our friend is honest, or do we have to wait?

If we have to wait, do we contain the threat in the meantime? If we can contain the threat in the short term, why can't we do so indefinitely?

[batricide]

Because it never works.
What someone did in their world can't be proven or disproven, but if you wait they'll start returning to their old ways. They always do.

[rehandle]

The Loki of my world attempted to overtake the Earth by route of alien invasion, killing some himself in pursuit of making way for his army, others dying in the battle that ensued. Who knows how many would have died without the input of the Avengers.

By your rule, Loki would be dead now. He's been here since I arrived, I've yet to see any heinous crimes.

[batricide]

I just said what happened in their world doesn't apply here.
Loki is a god. They don't tend to abide by human morality.

[rehandle]

So we do have to wait for evidence of a problem before action should be taken. That's a clear limit, good.

Do we take a person's heritage and related morality into account when coming to a decision?

[batricide]

It depends whether or not they're at all open to dropping it.
Some people are downright incorrigible.

[rehandle]

So it's not without leniency.

The conversation with Dick doesn't need to be complicated. Tell him you have some differing opinions that it's best to get out of the way early. Explain that in a situation where someone proves to be an irredeemable and active threat to innocent life, your decision would be to nullify that threat by killing the individual rather than risking imprisonment and escape. Let him know that you've discussed it before, maintain your view due to previous experience, understand that it isn't a majority stance and don't see the merit in continuing to discuss a hypothetical. Provide him with any specifics he asks for, but if he pushes you to debate it with him you can politely decline to continue the conversation.

It's the same as last time. Listen to what he's saying and acknowledge it without feeling the need to contest it. He can't fight you if you're not throwing punches, you just may have to take a few hits.

[identifier]

[ he can't imagine clark being a bad father. he nods and smiles. ]

Yeah, mine was around to help me out too. There's one here now - different timeline. Feels like the same guy.

[batricide]

[ Damian jolts visibly. No one had looped him into this, he's not expecting it. ]

Clark is here?

[identifier]

Yes, a Clark. [ a good guy.

but thinking about an evil one would break dick's brain. ]

He's usually in the kitchen.

[batricide]

[ shit. Shit shit shit. Is it his Clark? A Clark LIKE his Clark? Or one that still believes not killing is the way to go?

Damian doesn't know which he wants. ]

... Good to know.

[identifier]

[ he's not having a bad reaction. so after that dick's death, clark was there.

that's good. he'd hate to think people abandoned his family. that bruce did, first. ]

That's two curveballs today, huh, D? [ him and then clark. he smiles sympathetically.

it's not been an easy few days for him either. ]

How're you feeling?

[batricide]

You don't understand, Strange. They don't think that way.

My father raises his sons to have unfailing trust in the justice system, despite all being keenly aware that it is flawed and allows monsters to slip free and live to kill again. Dick has always been more inclined to listen, but he's still the one my father had the longest to indoctrinate.

That appears to be universal in every world.

[rehandle]

Then you'll need to make it clear to him that the law here cannot and will not apply to us, whether or not we wish it would. Police custody doesn't stick. We're overseen by someone who doesn't want us noticed.

For better or worse, we're our own law. If he doesn't like what he thinks you'll do, it's up to him and everyone else who disagrees with you to act first and keep you out. Our justice is self-defined, that part isn't negotiable.

[batricide]

[ there are so many things he appreciates about stephen strange. the fact that stephen is so unapologetic about what he believes in, the fact that he listens, all the little things that --

that made him a really good father in another life. ]

Fine.

But don't blame me if he runs crying to the network about murder never being the answer.

[ it's meaner than he normally would be, but that's how damian copes isn't it? get mean. throw barriers up. try to prevent himself from being hurt again. ]